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	<title>Comments on: iPhone Original Works 3G &#8230; Anywhere But America</title>
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		<title>By: David Henderson</title>
		<link>http://www.davidhenderson.com/2008/08/29/iphone-original-works-3g-anywhere-but-america/comment-page-2/#comment-1519</link>
		<dc:creator>David Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fernando,

The former, of course.  You nailed it.  Thanks!

Please see my latest post.

David</description>
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<p>The former, of course.  You nailed it.  Thanks!</p>
<p>Please see my latest post.</p>
<p>David</p>
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		<title>By: iPhone Original Vs. 3G, Part 2 &#124; David Henderson</title>
		<link>http://www.davidhenderson.com/2008/08/29/iphone-original-works-3g-anywhere-but-america/comment-page-2/#comment-1518</link>
		<dc:creator>iPhone Original Vs. 3G, Part 2 &#124; David Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] blog posting I have ever written before has sparked as much controversy as &#8220;iPhone Original Works 3G &#8230; Anywhere But America.&#8221;&#160; As you can see, there have been comments posted in response that explain everything [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] blog posting I have ever written before has sparked as much controversy as &#8220;iPhone Original Works 3G &#8230; Anywhere But America.&#8221;&nbsp; As you can see, there have been comments posted in response that explain everything [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Pink</title>
		<link>http://www.davidhenderson.com/2008/08/29/iphone-original-works-3g-anywhere-but-america/comment-page-2/#comment-1517</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Pink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a good one, The iPhone can be unlocked yes???


In the UK there is a network called 3. It is a 3g ONLY network, and your device HAS TO SUPPORT 3g TO RUN ON IT.

Suprisingly enough, that is the only network the iPhone WILL NOT WORK ON.

Explain that Mr I get 3g on my 2g phone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a good one, The iPhone can be unlocked yes???</p>
<p>In the UK there is a network called 3. It is a 3g ONLY network, and your device HAS TO SUPPORT 3g TO RUN ON IT.</p>
<p>Suprisingly enough, that is the only network the iPhone WILL NOT WORK ON.</p>
<p>Explain that Mr I get 3g on my 2g phone.</p>
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		<title>By: Fernando</title>
		<link>http://www.davidhenderson.com/2008/08/29/iphone-original-works-3g-anywhere-but-america/comment-page-2/#comment-1516</link>
		<dc:creator>Fernando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 06:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>either it was a sarcastic commentary piece aimed at how crappy at&amp;t service is (it so bad that when you use an outside side network you finally realize what your handset is capable of and feels like 3g in comparison, the throttle by at&amp;t is their crappy network, and the throttle by Apple is the fact that it is locked into at&amp;t&#039;s network) or he is a total morron. Since he&#039;s an award winning journalist, i hope its the former.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>either it was a sarcastic commentary piece aimed at how crappy at&amp;t service is (it so bad that when you use an outside side network you finally realize what your handset is capable of and feels like 3g in comparison, the throttle by at&amp;t is their crappy network, and the throttle by Apple is the fact that it is locked into at&amp;t&#8217;s network) or he is a total morron. Since he&#8217;s an award winning journalist, i hope its the former.</p>
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		<title>By: mmmiles</title>
		<link>http://www.davidhenderson.com/2008/08/29/iphone-original-works-3g-anywhere-but-america/comment-page-2/#comment-1515</link>
		<dc:creator>mmmiles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 05:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to be a journalist one day, it looks easy.

I&#039;ll just write catchy headlines about something that&#039;s in the new, pretend to understand it, and write some gobbledegook that hopefully non-techies won&#039;t understand and therefore think I got the scoop of the year/decade/century.


You could have disproved your hypothesis by doing some very basic research.

How is it you are a communications strategist if this is the kind of thing you come up with?.........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to be a journalist one day, it looks easy.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll just write catchy headlines about something that&#8217;s in the new, pretend to understand it, and write some gobbledegook that hopefully non-techies won&#8217;t understand and therefore think I got the scoop of the year/decade/century.</p>
<p>You could have disproved your hypothesis by doing some very basic research.</p>
<p>How is it you are a communications strategist if this is the kind of thing you come up with?&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: iphonewoot</title>
		<link>http://www.davidhenderson.com/2008/08/29/iphone-original-works-3g-anywhere-but-america/comment-page-2/#comment-1514</link>
		<dc:creator>iphonewoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 05:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>U Have Been PWNED!! 
Hahaha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>U Have Been PWNED!!<br />
Hahaha</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald</title>
		<link>http://www.davidhenderson.com/2008/08/29/iphone-original-works-3g-anywhere-but-america/comment-page-2/#comment-1513</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 04:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David -

Moving on to your second paragraph:

&quot;But in America, however, original iPhones are throttled back by Apple’s software and forced to operate only on AT&amp;T’s aged, outdated and antiquated Edge data network where the data stream runs at about 80k or at dial-up speeds, even though users pay a premium for the service. &quot;

Could you tell us whether it was your AT&amp;T or Apple source that informed you that Apple has software built into the original iPhone that throttles their speed?

How is this throttling controlled on a geographic basis? Does the iPhone check the location of the cell tower, and then introduce the throttling based on that location?

I only ask because of course AT&amp;T have now rolled out their 3G network in the US. What you are clearly implying is that the original iPhone is more than capable of operating on AT&amp;T&#039;s 3G network at the same speed that the 3G iPhone does (your first sentence). If this is indeed the case, and Apple have software built into the iPhone that only allows the original iPhone to take advantage of 3G networks outside the US, then clearly we have moved on from a relatively harmless debate, and I think it might be more appropriate get some lawyers to the table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David -</p>
<p>Moving on to your second paragraph:</p>
<p>&#8220;But in America, however, original iPhones are throttled back by Apple’s software and forced to operate only on AT&amp;T’s aged, outdated and antiquated Edge data network where the data stream runs at about 80k or at dial-up speeds, even though users pay a premium for the service. &#8221;</p>
<p>Could you tell us whether it was your AT&amp;T or Apple source that informed you that Apple has software built into the original iPhone that throttles their speed?</p>
<p>How is this throttling controlled on a geographic basis? Does the iPhone check the location of the cell tower, and then introduce the throttling based on that location?</p>
<p>I only ask because of course AT&amp;T have now rolled out their 3G network in the US. What you are clearly implying is that the original iPhone is more than capable of operating on AT&amp;T&#8217;s 3G network at the same speed that the 3G iPhone does (your first sentence). If this is indeed the case, and Apple have software built into the iPhone that only allows the original iPhone to take advantage of 3G networks outside the US, then clearly we have moved on from a relatively harmless debate, and I think it might be more appropriate get some lawyers to the table.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://www.davidhenderson.com/2008/08/29/iphone-original-works-3g-anywhere-but-america/comment-page-2/#comment-1507</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You, sir, are an idiot.  

And if you&#039;d simply listened to the first few commenters who knew what they were talking about - I wouldn&#039;t have been able to say that.  But you seem intent on resisting facts like plague ...

You can backpedal all you want - but the point has been made pretty clear by all of your commenters.  The 1st gen iPhone operates on EDGE networks, and only EDGE networks.

Do EDGE networks and 3G networks sometimes overlap in the same areas?  Of course.  Do they also sometimes utilize the same frequencies?  Yes, that too.  However, they are still NOT THE SAME THING.

Does EU have far better EDGE networks than the US?  Heck yeah.  Consider how fewer towers that it takes to give wall-to-wall 5-bars coverage in the UK versus the US.  EDGE has a theoretical limit of about 384kbps if memory serves me correctly (see that, I&#039;m admitting when I&#039;m not certain) so it would be no surprise to see dramatically better performance in Europe.  3G?  No.  Better?  Yes.

Here, go Google this -- WCDMA.  That should give you a quick primer on 3G.  Although I will admit, this is a step I would have expected a journalist with your credentials to have done *before* writing an article like this.

Here&#039;s another mind-blower for you, that you would have had to walk any further than Wikipedia to discover ... EDGE is, believe it or not, considered &quot;3G&quot; by the ITU!

&quot;EDGE can be considered a 3G radio technology and is part of ITU&#039;s 3G definition&quot;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDGE

D&#039;oh!  I just blew your mind, didn&#039;t I?  It&#039;s ok, you can admit it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You, sir, are an idiot.  </p>
<p>And if you&#8217;d simply listened to the first few commenters who knew what they were talking about &#8211; I wouldn&#8217;t have been able to say that.  But you seem intent on resisting facts like plague &#8230;</p>
<p>You can backpedal all you want &#8211; but the point has been made pretty clear by all of your commenters.  The 1st gen iPhone operates on EDGE networks, and only EDGE networks.</p>
<p>Do EDGE networks and 3G networks sometimes overlap in the same areas?  Of course.  Do they also sometimes utilize the same frequencies?  Yes, that too.  However, they are still NOT THE SAME THING.</p>
<p>Does EU have far better EDGE networks than the US?  Heck yeah.  Consider how fewer towers that it takes to give wall-to-wall 5-bars coverage in the UK versus the US.  EDGE has a theoretical limit of about 384kbps if memory serves me correctly (see that, I&#8217;m admitting when I&#8217;m not certain) so it would be no surprise to see dramatically better performance in Europe.  3G?  No.  Better?  Yes.</p>
<p>Here, go Google this &#8212; WCDMA.  That should give you a quick primer on 3G.  Although I will admit, this is a step I would have expected a journalist with your credentials to have done *before* writing an article like this.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another mind-blower for you, that you would have had to walk any further than Wikipedia to discover &#8230; EDGE is, believe it or not, considered &#8220;3G&#8221; by the ITU!</p>
<p>&#8220;EDGE can be considered a 3G radio technology and is part of ITU&#8217;s 3G definition&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDGE" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDGE</a></p>
<p>D&#8217;oh!  I just blew your mind, didn&#8217;t I?  It&#8217;s ok, you can admit it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Zoltan</title>
		<link>http://www.davidhenderson.com/2008/08/29/iphone-original-works-3g-anywhere-but-america/comment-page-2/#comment-1506</link>
		<dc:creator>Zoltan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Here’s a headline for you — the original iPhone works on 3G data networks, and works just as fast as the new iPhone 3G.&quot;

I&#039;m afraid this isn&#039;t true. I understand your point about US cellular 2G networks not being as fast 2G networks in Europe, and I don&#039;t disagree with that. But the 2G iPhone does, definitively, not work &quot;just as fast as the new iPhone 3G&quot; on a 3G network. The 3G picks up a 3G signal, and the 2G only picks up a GPRS/EDGE signal (depending on which is available). Neither is anywhere near as fast as the 3G network speeds.

If you&#039;d like me to provide you with some connection speed results from the iPhone which demonstrate this, I can.

I see your point, but your original post is badly worded and, as a result, misleading: on a network that supports 3G, the 2G iPhone isn&#039;t &quot;just as fast&quot; as the 3G iPhone. It can&#039;t be, because it can&#039;t connect to the 3G network (just the alternative, lower-speed EDGE at best - and if you can&#039;t accept that EDGE (even in Europe) is slower than 3G, you should look it up somewhere). And that&#039;s because it doesn&#039;t have the chip it needs to connect to a 3G network.

So I take your point about US network speeds being a bit poor, and being able to get better speeds in Europe, but you&#039;re going to have to rethink way the original article is worded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Here’s a headline for you — the original iPhone works on 3G data networks, and works just as fast as the new iPhone 3G.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid this isn&#8217;t true. I understand your point about US cellular 2G networks not being as fast 2G networks in Europe, and I don&#8217;t disagree with that. But the 2G iPhone does, definitively, not work &#8220;just as fast as the new iPhone 3G&#8221; on a 3G network. The 3G picks up a 3G signal, and the 2G only picks up a GPRS/EDGE signal (depending on which is available). Neither is anywhere near as fast as the 3G network speeds.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;d like me to provide you with some connection speed results from the iPhone which demonstrate this, I can.</p>
<p>I see your point, but your original post is badly worded and, as a result, misleading: on a network that supports 3G, the 2G iPhone isn&#8217;t &#8220;just as fast&#8221; as the 3G iPhone. It can&#8217;t be, because it can&#8217;t connect to the 3G network (just the alternative, lower-speed EDGE at best &#8211; and if you can&#8217;t accept that EDGE (even in Europe) is slower than 3G, you should look it up somewhere). And that&#8217;s because it doesn&#8217;t have the chip it needs to connect to a 3G network.</p>
<p>So I take your point about US network speeds being a bit poor, and being able to get better speeds in Europe, but you&#8217;re going to have to rethink way the original article is worded.</p>
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		<title>By: Dandy_Sephy</title>
		<link>http://www.davidhenderson.com/2008/08/29/iphone-original-works-3g-anywhere-but-america/comment-page-2/#comment-1505</link>
		<dc:creator>Dandy_Sephy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Following up to the replys while I types the last one, they may be being referred to as 3g networks, but really they are only networks that support 3g. Thats the main point of contention, as using the term 3g networks is easily misinterpreted. 

The phone isn&#039;t connecting to the 3g networks, it&#039;s connecting to the 2g networks owned by companies providing 3g services</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Following up to the replys while I types the last one, they may be being referred to as 3g networks, but really they are only networks that support 3g. Thats the main point of contention, as using the term 3g networks is easily misinterpreted. </p>
<p>The phone isn&#8217;t connecting to the 3g networks, it&#8217;s connecting to the 2g networks owned by companies providing 3g services</p>
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		<title>By: Dandy_Sephy</title>
		<link>http://www.davidhenderson.com/2008/08/29/iphone-original-works-3g-anywhere-but-america/comment-page-2/#comment-1504</link>
		<dc:creator>Dandy_Sephy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, I was not taking issue with your expertise or credentials, just with the select article. I see how my comments may have been taken that way, so I apologise and have already stated that I have no personal issue with yourself. The fact you have an Emmy is recognized and appreciated and my comments were not meant to disrespect that. But because I have a reasonable grasp of the ins and outs of the way these things work, it&#039;s easy for me to be critical and passionate about it 

However without knowing your sources which I obviously can&#039;t speak for, I have trouble seeing that they would suggest the original iPhone connects to a 3g network. I do understand that our edge speeds in europe may be quick in comparison to your edge or 3g speeds (hence my request for clarification over your use of edge and gprs), but this is seperate from connecting to a 3g network at 3g speeds on an original iphone when abroad - which is what has been implied. Stating faster speeds on 2g networks would have been hard to argue. Bringing 3g into it has caused the misunderstandings, criticism and rants of people including myself</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, I was not taking issue with your expertise or credentials, just with the select article. I see how my comments may have been taken that way, so I apologise and have already stated that I have no personal issue with yourself. The fact you have an Emmy is recognized and appreciated and my comments were not meant to disrespect that. But because I have a reasonable grasp of the ins and outs of the way these things work, it&#8217;s easy for me to be critical and passionate about it </p>
<p>However without knowing your sources which I obviously can&#8217;t speak for, I have trouble seeing that they would suggest the original iPhone connects to a 3g network. I do understand that our edge speeds in europe may be quick in comparison to your edge or 3g speeds (hence my request for clarification over your use of edge and gprs), but this is seperate from connecting to a 3g network at 3g speeds on an original iphone when abroad &#8211; which is what has been implied. Stating faster speeds on 2g networks would have been hard to argue. Bringing 3g into it has caused the misunderstandings, criticism and rants of people including myself</p>
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